09:32:24 From Bill Zybach : Welcome Everyone, I will be monitoring and feeding themes or questions to Jeroen 09:40:32 From Janet du Preez : I actually really like Bill's theme. That is very true for me too. 09:53:30 From Jardena London : Picture book!?? Tell us more! 09:54:13 From Jardena London : Who thinks it would be fun to talk about an article based on the most ‘dislikes’ instead of ‘likes’ next time. 09:55:37 From Justine Smith : a triangle and a circle! on Page 2 From hierarchy for stability to networks for complexity. Image courtesy of Niels Pflaeging’s Organize for Complexity. 09:56:26 From Julia Flower : I enjoyed the article - thanks Justin. 09:58:50 From Justine Smith : COSMOPlat - supplier platform 10:10:00 From Janet du Preez : The sense I had reading the Matrix article was how Matrix structures really keep us stuck in hierarchical/ non-adult thinking. 10:10:45 From Jeanna Kozak : when I hear ‘you have to have a matrix’ I hear ‘you can’t make decisions without ME’ a portfolio approach and design thinking ‘moves’ a lot of decisions and mitigates how much the metrix slows things down 10:10:59 From Jardena London : Janet - love the phrase “non-adult thinking”! 10:11:33 From Janet du Preez : Thanks Jardena - one of my pet subjects is how we can create adult organisations 10:11:39 From Jeanna Kozak : I think it can be broken down by demand side - get small teams performing and create a pull for others 10:12:20 From Jeanna Kozak : the problem is history I think - tradition of hierarchy means a lot of people literally don’t know how to take risks, make decisions, they are operators and overseers 10:12:36 From Bill Zybach : And yes Janet, it is moving from Parent/Child to Adult/Adult! 10:12:49 From Jeanna Kozak : but they can learn on small scale, MVP is good way to get past fear of failure 10:14:00 From Jardena London : The Hair CEO talks about the “interconnected platform / ecosystem” - and the matrix was an early way of addressing it. I tell agile orgs to prioritize and focus. But they struggle with the interconnectedness. I wonder if there’s a better way 10:16:33 From Justine Smith : networked organisation 10:16:40 From Justine Smith : Capgemini Consulting 10:17:20 From Justine Smith : 5 people responsible for the “mgt” aspects of me and my role 10:17:29 From Jeanna Kozak : that was my point about portfolio management or what? how are they managed the 2000 teams 10:17:31 From Justine Smith : needs a platform 10:17:34 From Justine Smith : yes 10:18:04 From Jardena London : Jeanna - yes agreed. There’s a missing link here 10:18:20 From Justine Smith : TRUST 10:18:34 From Jeanna Kozak : even with trust - you still need to align investment 10:18:56 From Justine Smith : that people will understand value creation 10:19:00 From Simon Cohen : at Spotify that mechanism is cross functional leadership forums 10:19:14 From Simon Cohen : and then every six months we re-org because that becomes a bottleneck 10:19:20 From Justine Smith : Backlogs shared at top team 10:21:09 From Jeanna Kozak : Simon - why does the forum become a bottleneck and they generally reorg into what? 10:22:23 From Simon Cohen : forums pick up contexts like lint. eventually it becomes unwieldy and we reorg in whatever fashion that reduces the dimensions involved. Or because we grow so much, we end up creating another layer of hierarchy and have one person accountable for the top level decisions 10:23:20 From Jeanna Kozak : lint - LOL 10:23:29 From Jardena London : Simon - are you at Spotify? Or using the model? Do you feel like you are moving closer to traditional. (And lol - lint) 10:23:34 From Julia Flower : Bottleneck - could be decisions can’t be made and then escalated - thus creating another layer? 10:23:37 From Simon Cohen : I’m at spotify 10:24:04 From Jeanna Kozak : how do they manage portfolio at Spotify - determine which areas get investment? 10:24:19 From Simon Cohen : and only R&D works in the matrix model. the rest is traditional. and small parts of R&D are experimenting with more traditional structures 10:24:26 From Simon Cohen : we are large and contain a multitude 10:25:20 From Simon Cohen : hard to do over chat 10:25:23 From Simon Cohen : next time :) 10:26:04 From Simon Cohen : portfolio management happens at the C-level 10:27:48 From Janet du Preez : Love that Bill! 10:28:33 From Justine Smith : everyone is a leader for sure 10:28:46 From Janet du Preez : Yes!!!!! Leadership everywhere. 10:29:03 From Justine Smith : so share profit accordingingly!!! 10:29:20 From Janet du Preez : Thanks so much!! Great conversation. 10:29:20 From Simon Cohen : thank you all! I’ll find a room next time so I can speak :) 10:29:58 From Julia Flower : difficult in practice to share profit!