00:18:54 Craig McGee: Eddie is too kind. I would put our comments in the “for what it’s worth” category ;-) 00:19:56 Paul Tolchinsky: thank you everyone...love to hear this discussion 00:33:26 Bill Zybach: The physiological metamorphosis of a caterpillar to a butterfly requires the “imagine cells” to transform the statuesque - the body of the caperpillar dissolves into fodder for the butterfly body and wings. There is a biological battle that occurs. The analogy of the Imagine Cells - are our social creatives and millennials. Millennials (and Gen X) are not just a progression of the Great Generation, and Boomers…They are digital natives, and do process and learn differently than my generation. 00:41:58 Bill Zybach: Paula, that is the balance - rather than a polarity, of the need of any vibrant system to have stable and dynamic processes, in the right places…. 00:45:50 Deloras Jones: So very interesting as it reminds me so much of idea systems of the 90's, motivation theory in terms of being in on things, autonomy, feeling appreciated and valued. In diversity and inclusion the interconnecting components and interception of inclusion is in creating a space where individuals can share both on a divergent and convergent level. Through this process we learn where the interception of generational differences create a culture where individuals can be valued for their uniqueness and still experience belongingness. 00:45:56 Paul Tolchinsky: It is a great distinction, work vs skillsets...I can apply lots of skillsets to multitude of different work projects 00:50:55 Deloras Jones: Or by allowing them to be part of building the skill sets, competencies to develop the organizational design from a job rotation, project lead standpoint. As designers, we should definitely include those folks as we develop the structure. 00:51:53 Paul Tolchinsky: absolutely Deloras, I think we have to move to a place where those who will live the future, co-create it. 00:53:17 Eddie Moore: Deloras, sounds like Bill is making a similar point. 00:53:28 Paul Tolchinsky: Amen Bill...it is a collaboration and anyone who presumes to tell another (generation or person) is missing the point 00:53:55 katherine raymond: the devil is in the details - we are human beings after all 00:56:31 Bill Zybach: To Gili’s question, and Paul’s point, I am doing agile in an 80k person organization, and we have shifted the focus from the work, to the skill sets that folks have, and we are using both Agile and Global Standards that are based on capability (which is a necessity for any particular work process). We have to move org design from the linear - Strategy, Work, Skills, Systems, Structure, - to a non-linear design approach…. 00:58:40 Bill Zybach: This is the caterpillar to butterfly struggle dynamic…it is more status quo versus innovation - 00:59:50 Bill Zybach: We do totally eliminate heirarchy in Holocracy Agile, and that is why Agile is so big in Europe… 01:01:16 Bill Zybach: Paul, yes, this is the requirement for stable and dynamic processes…vs hierarchy, patriarchy. 01:01:35 Adam Redshaw: Even without the reporting lines I think there are still; other types of hierarchy such as seniority or expertise which creates hierarchy. 01:03:05 Bill Zybach: The father of Hierarchy - Max Weber, was very clear about Hierachy - and it is about command and control - and no humanness was his ideal… 01:03:19 katherine raymond: agreed with comments re power is a real factor 01:03:36 katherine raymond: coaching is a big area of opportunity 01:05:25 Bill Zybach: The hippies wanted to rebel against hierarchy, fortunately we are in the Digital age, so there is a possibility that the outcome can be different. 01:05:57 Paul Tolchinsky: design of the leader system as a first step is really most important 01:07:58 Bill Zybach: The cult of leadership is a old paradigm, that is real only in one of the 4 types of organizations globally…though it does represent about 75% of all organization - but the Directive Hierarchy is on the decline - and others with less power at the top or middle, are declining… 01:08:43 Paul Tolchinsky: I think when you peel the onion, as humans we have been searching for the same things for many generations 01:09:35 Bill Zybach: Shared leadership in agile, is very different than leadership in hierarchies. 01:09:52 Paul Tolchinsky: so true Bill 01:10:32 Paul Tolchinsky: thank you everyone...been very insightful and interesting