00:23:10 Wendy Bowers: pathological capitalism …. 00:24:32 Bruce Mabee: Love Bill's viral language for this topic! 00:27:56 William Zybach: Janet suggested I can be a social capitalist, and I like that too! 00:32:08 Andrew Williams: Bureaucracy is not bad - it's what has made large organizations possible 00:32:39 Janet du Preez: @Andrew - that would be a very interesting debate!!! 00:33:08 William Zybach: The problem is with pathological capitalism and pathological / predatory capitalism…. 00:33:33 Theresa Garcia: I love "throwing gumdrops"! I'm going to reuse that one! thanks! 00:35:37 William Zybach: As Andrew suggested - there are different types of organizations, and the approach needs to be tailored to the industry, culture and ecosystem. Bureaucracy is not bad in itself… 00:36:36 Jardena London: I’m not sure that bureaucracy is a org type, I feel like it’s more of a manifestation from conditions that are present. 00:37:29 Jeanna Kozak: On Creativity - it was ok however all focused on external elements and creativity is rather internal (attitude and practice). Check this out it is very good complement https://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/virtual-collaboration-wont-be-the-death-of-creativity/?og=Winter+2021+Issue+Tiled 00:37:58 Jardena London: YES @Jeanna! I had a reaction to the narrow view of creativity. 00:38:09 Theresa Garcia: I believe that bureaucracy is an intention and is the predictable outcome of structure, authority, reward, responsibility - "you get what you design". 00:39:12 Andrew Williams: Is innovation the same as creativity? 00:39:21 Andrew Williams: How are they same / different? 00:39:51 Jeanna Kozak: Missing from Bill’s very good list about human potential is freedom, space, room 00:40:30 Janet du Preez: @Andrew - some people would definitely say so. Others believe that the difference between the two is implementation and monetisation. 00:41:56 William Zybach: Andrew is absolutely right - it is not either or, it is both and… 00:43:32 William Zybach: Jardena, yes, without you, I would leave out important components, it is really neuroscience of innovation 00:43:37 Ibrahim Rasheed: I agree that automation isn't anathema to creativity. This article has an interesting example of creative brainstorming with artificial intelligence: https://www.ideo.com/blog/the-rules-of-brainstorming-change-when-ai-gets-involved-heres-how?utm_content=143682113 00:44:48 William Zybach: We are using new tools that incorporate AI and Human Innovation…it is both and 00:44:57 Jardena London: Thank you @Jeanna and @Ibrahim for the links! 00:45:34 Wendy Bowers: art of the possible 00:46:04 Jeanna Kozak: Perhaps creativity is attitude and innovation is action 00:46:25 Andrew Williams: Actually - I loved the kernel! 00:48:00 William Zybach: Thanks Bruce (and Andrew), one of my previous entrepreneurial activities was as a plumber 00:49:08 William Zybach: Yes, Janet, the skills of creativity! 00:49:12 Andrew Williams: Plumbing is one of my favorite home improvement activities. #1 is woodworking 00:49:22 Andrew Williams: my creative release 00:49:51 Jardena London: “Science is creative. Creativity is scientific.“ Love it! 00:50:37 Theresa Garcia: check out the book, "Free the Idea Monkey" - references those who "ideate" and those who are effective at extracting the idea that can be monetized and replicated. Both capabilities are essential in continuous organizational growth 00:50:47 William Zybach: @Andrew, Between 2016 and 2018, I remodel 3 houses using agile principles, it was a lovely sabbatical 00:50:53 Jardena London: "Get creative about creativity.” 00:51:32 Andrew Williams: ...remodeled houses using agile principles - I've got to know more! 00:51:34 Janet du Preez: Yes Bill!! Want to hear more about that!! 00:51:38 William Zybach: Yes Bruce, Spread Shared Leadership! 00:52:03 Jardena London: Key takeaway from this call: Bill can fix our toilets. 00:52:33 William Zybach: Thank You Jardena, Call Me if your Toilet isn’t flushing! 00:56:00 Jeanna Kozak: it is the one size fits all approach and the lack of transparency, the surveillance, and dehumanization leading to gaming the system https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-people-hate-about-being-managed-by-algorithms-according-to-a-study-of-uber-drivers 00:57:25 Janet du Preez: Hi Ibrahim - love what you are saying. Computers aren't the problem! People can be. 00:57:47 Jeanna Kozak: Ibrahim is right - it’s both humans and machines squashing people. Squashing is consistent. 00:58:36 Jardena London: Humans can screw up anything. :) 00:59:40 Ibrahim Rasheed: And fix anything :-D (putting my optimistic hat on for Christmas!) 01:00:48 William Zybach: Moving away from the unconscious Mechanistic Model which has done significant violent, and shift our consciousness, to Being…Erich Fromm - the Art of Being 01:01:13 Janet du Preez: Just found "The Art of Being" FREE on Audible - YAY! 01:02:20 Theresa Garcia: ….the Rise of the Machines....Skynet, etc. 01:02:30 Simon Davies: sounds like a plot for Black Mirror! 01:04:25 Theresa Garcia: those characteristics are also found in the earliest phases of adult development - identity as defined by the group. 01:04:59 Andrew Williams: This was my favorite learning on whiteness and white privilege: https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/ 01:05:21 Jardena London: I have more to read after this call than I did to prepare! 01:05:28 Theresa Garcia: I loved the last article! Let's regroup on that one in January. 01:05:34 Jardena London: Yes I did too. 01:06:47 Richard Thayer: I LOVE today's format! Having people contribute as moved really worked for me. 01:06:50 Theresa Garcia: Safe and Healthy Holidays! And to all a Good Night! 01:07:16 Andrew Williams: ^yes Richard 01:07:32 Jardena London: YES - non-conformity! 01:07:34 Andrew Williams: *Rich 01:07:48 Jardena London: Thank you Wendy!! 01:08:06 Andrew Williams: Happy Holidays! 01:08:14 Janet du Preez: Thank you so much everyone - lovely conversation. Have a great end of year!!